Why Can't Arabs and Jews Get Along?

OnIslam, which is a breakaway website from Islam Online, has a fatwa section where someone recently asked this:

Can you answer the question why the Palestinians and the Israelis have been fighting for so long? What is it all about? Why do they seem to hate each other so much? Is it related to the Catholic/Protestant faith, Judaism and Islam?


The answer given is very illuminating.

It illustrates why real peace is impossible: because the other side doesn’t even know the basic facts about Judaism, Zionism and Israel. It is simply not possible to reach an agreement when one side’s entire conception of the others is, simply, filled with lies.

Elder of Ziyon

What if Arabs had Recognized Israel in 1948?

A Saudi Naval officer asks an interesting question that should be asked a lot more in the Arab world: What would have happened if the Arabs had just recognized Israel in 1948?

If Israel was recognized in 1948, then the Palestinians would have been able to free themselves from the hollow promises of some Arab dictators who kept telling them that the refugees would be back in their homes and all Arab lands will be liberated and Israel will be sent to the bottom of the sea. Some Arab leaders used the Palestinians for their own agenda to suppress their own people and to stay in power.

Since 1948, if an Arab politician wanted to be the hero and the leader of the Arab world, then he has a very easy way to do it. He just shouts as loud as he can about the intention to destroy Israel, without mobilizing one soldier (Talk is cheap).

If Israel was recognized in 1948, then there would have been no need for a coup in Egypt against King Farouq in 1952 and there would have been no attack on Egypt in 1956 by The UK, France and Israel. Also there will be no war in June 1967 and the size of Israel will not be increased and we, the Arabs would not have the need for a UN resolution to beg Israel to go back to the pre-1967 borders. And no war of attrition between Egypt and Israel that caused more casualties on the Egyptian side than the Israeli side.

After the 1967 war, Israel became a strategic ally of the US because before this war, the US was not as close to Israel as people in the Arab world think. The Israelis fought in that war using mainly French and British weapons. At that time, the US administrations refused to supply Israel with more modern aircraft and weapon systems such as the F-4 Phantom.

The Palestinian misery was also used to topple another stable monarchy, this time in Iraq and replacing it with a bloody dictatorship in one of the richest countries of the world. Iraq is rich in minerals, water reserves, fertile land and archaeological sites. The military led by Abdul Karim Qassim killed King Faisal II and his family. Bloodshed in Iraq continued and this Arab country has seen more violent revolutions and one of them was carried out in the 1960s by a brigade that was sent to help liberate Palestine. Instead it made a turn and went back and took over Baghdad. Even years later, Saddam Hussien said that he will liberate Jerusalem via Kuwait. He used Palestinians misery as an excuse to invade Kuwait.

Read the whole thing. I wonder how many other Arabs realize just how badly they messed this up.

Labels: Arab democracy, Arab denial of Jewish history, Saudi Navy

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1 Comments:

At 3:26 PM, Blogger kranky said...

While this officers comments are not only brave, they are largely correct, the arab world as a whole, and the larger muslim world as a whole, would not be able to accept the shame from admitting that they have been wrong.

It takes a special sort of person to realize that a mistake has been made. Its far too easy to cast your faults upon others and use them as a scapegoat. The entire arab and muslim world do this apart from occasional glimpses of sanity, such as from this officer.

Why else would they be unable to admit that the 19 9/11 terrorists were muslim arabs. Why else would they be unable to admit that Osama and his merry mad men are muslims. Take every atrocity that the muslims and arabs commit, and you can find a sizable group denouncing them as not being true muslims, and not acting in accord with the quran.

Denial does nothing to help that society realize the horror it spawns, or to stop it from spawning more. This society values death over life, when you listen to their very numerous, very vocal firebrands. These are not isolated nutjobs, these are the mainstream.

The author is wise, and is correct in all aspects. The arab and muslim world made one terrible mistake after another. They did not miss any opportunity to miss opportunities. This person is likely to be branded unislamic, an apostate, or worse. He is liable to be killed by the followers of the firebrands.

And he is an intelligent, well thought out, well spoken, but isolated, and lonely voice in the wilderness, surrounded by a deep sea of unreason, unthinking, and apoplectic but unwarranted rage. It would be great if we could see more of these people out there. Millions more. And if Israel reached out to him to congratulate him on his courage in voicing this, it would bring about his rapid destruction.

This is a multigenerational problem now. The firebrands and those the author called out have inculcated Israel and Jew hatred so deeply in their society, it will take them numerous generations after they stop incitement, for their society to start to accept Israel and Jews.

Will the World End? Part 2 of 9

In 1986 my wife married me while she still was wed to an Arab. This act made her a bigamist and gave me a crash course on Middle East conflicts. Instantly, I gained 300 "cousins" who hate my Jewish guts.

Cruel Leaders I Have Known

Having foolishly raised expectations to justify their invasion of Iraq, Bush and McCain have their reputations at stake. Which is why they cannot define success there as Barack Obama has defined it and why they have neither a strategy for success nor strategy for leaving Iraq. All they have is the surge (a mere tactic) and hope for a miracle. - Walter Uhler

Talking about a death wish, Bush and McCain are two prime examples. After several unfruitful adventures in Asia, they attacked a nation of 27 millions who had done them no wrong. This is the classic case of paranoia. Convinced that Iraq was plotting to destroy them, Bush and McCain manufactured a string of lies aimed at justifying a preemptive war.

Many murderers construct an elaborate fantasy to convince themselves they are under the threat of the intended victim.

Bush, McCain and many others executed the killing plan. Many of these people face eventual disgrace, imprisonment and execution events few paranoids anticipate.

If we Israelis were as paranoid as Bush and McCain, we would have annihilated every Arab between the Tigris River and Morocco years ago. We retain this capability, but refuse to use it until necessary.

The difference between cultures: Most Israelis respect human life while few Americans do.

Informing Americanized Jews

Informing Americanized Jews

"Israel chooses conflict over peace." This is a peculiar mindset typical of many Americans and some American Jews. They are willing to fight to the last drop of Israeli blood. They wonder why our region rejects their brand of democracy.

The intellectuals among them believe that peace is possible through negotiation and compromise. How sad they are when they discover these paths closed by Arabs!

So, the 'peace talks' become one-sided: Jews communicating with Jews. Sixty years of conversing with ourselves are quite enough, thank you.

Ari Sharon was right to grant them self-rule and to build high walls. Now, if everyone shuts his mouth and tends his garden, we may have calm.

There are not two sides to every story. You can't always get what you want. Being an Israeli is a lot more than being in Israel.

by jbpaz

An Arab and a Jew Attempt to Communicate

It is rare that Arab and Jew share their human concerns man to man. Politics and history aside, I humbly ask others to contribute to the dialog.

My Message to the Jews

By Khalid Amayreh in Occupied East Jerusalem,

Sabbah’s Blog

I realize very well that you are not carbon copies of each other. And I also know that there are many Jews around the world who truly despise what Israel has been doing to the Palestinian people in your name.

I earnestly commend these conscientious Jews for their morality and human decency. It is these honest people who enable us to retain the hope that counting on Judaic morality is not a lost cause.

Non the less, there are huge numbers of Jews who have found themselves transformed into soldiers of darkness and advocates of evil. There are Jews who shamelessly advocate the total annihilation of the Palestinian people. Unfortunately, these psychopaths are not isolated or marginal figures. On the contrary, they are highly respected by their hundreds of thousands of followers.

It is these misguided and misguiding multitudes of Jews I am addressing in this brief article. And, in truth, my ultimate goal is not to vilify and demonize, but rather to warn and admonish them to wake up from worshiping this modern Golden Calf, otherwise known as the State of Israel.

To begin with, I would like to remind you of a Talmudic story, which I believe is familiar to many of you. The story is told that a heathen came to Shammai with the request to be accepted as a convert on condition that he was taught the whole of the Torah while he stood on one foot. The Rabbi drove him away with the yard-stick which he was holding. He then went to Hillel with the same request; and he said to him: “What is hateful to you yourself, do not do to your fellow-man. That is the whole of the Torah and the remainder is but commentary. Go, learn it.”

Yes, yes, what is hateful to yourself, don’t do to your fellow-man. What beautiful words of light and wisdom!

Now are you mentally prepared to accept this universal law, which nearly every Jew on earth would agree encapsulates Judaic (and supposedly Jewish) morality?

If you are, then you should thoroughly examine your attitudes toward Israel, a state that has more in common with the ideas of Hitler than it doses with the teachings of Moses.

Israel is deceiving you, lying to you and betraying your moral legacy, the legacy bequeathed by the Israelite prophets, and their (our) forefather Ibrahim, who taught mankind “thou shall not murder, thou shall not lie, and thou shall not steal…..and be just.”

I am sorry to speak in such a harsh tone, but, in truth, Israel and Zionism succeeded through the years in transforming you from a people who believe in justice and value morality into murderers and justifiers of murder, into thieves and justifiers of theft, and into liars who have to change the black into white and the white into black in order to cover up their shame, and then call the lies strange names such as hasbara and public relations and political correctness.

In your name, Israel, knowingly and deliberately, is slaughtering innocent people, including children.

This is not done by mistake as Israeli leaders and spokespeople would falsely claim. When “mistakes ” happen every day and every hour and every minute, they are no longer mistakes. They are policy. Besides the images are too graphic to be ignored and too obscenely brazen to be dismissed as “Arab propaganda.” They transcend reality.

In your name, Israel has been carrying out ethnic cleansing, in its ugliest forms, all under the pretext of “maintaining Israel’s Jewish identity!!” you see the pornographic oppression, coming from a people who claim to adhere to the Ten Commandments.

In your name, Israel in the summer of 2006 dropped millions of cluster bombs or bomblets all over South Lebanon. Is this the light upon the nations that you claim to be? Shame on you!

It is because of your crimes against man and God that we, the Palestinians, have effectively become “the Jews of our time,” while you have effectively become the “anti-Semites of our time.” You, the Jews, the victims of the holocaust, and the numerous pogroms and inquisitions, have turned out to be like all underdogs, when you get on the top, you become as murderous and as brutal to your victims as your former oppressors were to you when you were underneath.

The Nazis looked down on Jews and others as untermensch, and you are looking down on us as “Arabs”.!! The Nazis sought expansion at their neighbors’ expense and called it “lebensraum.” And you are doing the same, under the pretext of building “housing units for Jews.” The Nazis carried out “pacifications” in which innocent people were mercilessly killed; and you carry out “defensive operations” during which you wreak death and havoc on innocent people. At least the Nazis didn’t lie about their criminality as much as you do about yours. You are not only evil murderers and great child killers. You are also nefarious liars.

The Nazis believed in an Aryan “master race” and you, Zionists, are trying to make a “race” out of Jews. Your methods are similar and your goals are nearly identical.

You can’t deny this; we are not naive North Americans or Europeans whom you think you can bamboozle very easily. We have been through it all, from creation to destruction.

I am saying this because in the final analysis when people, any people, including Jews, behave and act as the Nazis did, they themselves become Nazis. Evil, whether done by a “master race” or a “chosen people” is evil. Evil can’t be kosher. True, there are no gas chambers in Gaza and Hebron. But you are killing us with F-16 fighters and tanks and artillery and apache helicopters. So, the outcome is the same. Besides, the writing is literally on the wall. Come to Hebron and see for yourselves.

Too harsh?

No, it is not, because if what is happening today in Palestine at the hands of holocaust children and grand children and great grandchildren is having no effects on your individual and collective conscience, it is immensely naive to think that you will experience a moral awakening when the pharaohs of Israel, people like Matan Vilnai, choose to carry out their threatened “greater holocaust” against our people.

Many of you may be forgiven for being ignorant of Israel’s reality of evil. But you are not a people of ignorance. Which means you are doing and supporting evil knowingly and consciously. If so, you are no better than your past tormentors.

Don’t be so excited about America’s unlimited and unrestricted support and backing. America is not helping you to uphold your moral principles, America is “helping” you to destroy these principles, which you are doing anyway.

Needles to say, when an evil power “helps” you corrode your moral system, this should not be a cause for joy and satisfaction. I am sure that wise men and women amongst you understand the meaning of my words.

Finally, I call on you to wake up from this toxic arrogance of power, this collective megalomania and false sense of triumph. You are actually experiencing a collective psychosis, a virtual moral meltdown. Hence, you are really in a big trouble.
And, now, a few words to Jews in Israel-Palestine. Soon you will be celebrating Israel’s 60th anniversary, which is for us is a profoundly inauspicious occasion commemorating evil and genocide. Because you destroyed our homes, obliterated our towns and villages, perpetrated untold massacres, and expelled the bulk of our people, at gun point, to the four corners of the globe. And you had the audacity to call all of this evil “war of independence” and to claim that “they just fled away…”!!!

Notwithstanding , you are still as blind as you are brutal despite the passage of 60 years.

If you had invested a fraction of the means at your disposal; if you had used your energies and industriousness and creativity for peace with your neighbors, peace would have been realized a long time ago.

But you were not interested in peace then as you are not interested in peace now. Instead you were busy then and as you are busy now stealing our land and building thereon Jewish-only settlements inhabited by fanatical settlers who are taught that the only way to expedite the appearance of the “redeemer” is by shedding non-Jewish blood and doing evil.

Well, since when murder and evil can produce good?

Non the less, it is perhaps not too late to try to rectify your evil ways and morbid thinking.

Try to reach out to the Palestinians and Arabs and Muslims. Remember, this is a predominantly Muslim region, and in a few decades, there will be 700 or 800 million Muslims in your vicinity. Think about your future generations. Maybe, just maybe, America’s military and economic power will have gone with the wind by then.

More over, try to show respect to Islam, because without respecting Islam, you don’t really respect Judaism. This is instead of vilifying the religion that describes the Torah as “a book of light.”

And stop this dishonorable alliance with those pseudo-Christian maniacs who advocate and actively push for a worldwide Armageddon in which hundreds of millions of people, including 99% of Jews, would perish, all in order to induce the second advent of Jesus.

But above all, stop killing and tormenting the helpless Palestinians for you had been helpless yourselves. Stop killing their children. Stop destroying their homes. Stop confiscating their land. Stop imprisoning their sons unjustly. Stop narrowing their horizons. Stop your mass murder, mass terror and mass oppression. Stop making a hell out of our daily life. Yes, stop it, if not for justice and human decency, then for your own safety. Oppression boomerangs as we saw recently in Jerusalem.

And don’t get emboldened by American officials who tell you …Kill, kill, kill and we will stand by you! because America and its immoral politicians are thousands of miles away…but we are destined to be neighbors, or even citizens of the same state.

And remember, it is not an act of heroism to murder unprotected innocent civilians, using the state-of-the-art of America’s technology of death. History won’t be kind to you.

What heroism is there in having an F-16 fighter rain death on sleeping children and women at a refugee camp?

Shame on you.

Israelis and Arabs May Find Unity in Death

Jason Paz

Israelis and Arabs forget we have common enemies. Here is a possible scenario. Four nuclear devices explode in the four major Israeli cities.
The Israelis launch 250 fighter/bombers to nuke 500 population centers in the Arab World.
Years later the few survivors may learn it was a false flags CIA op, or maybe a Russian ploy to obtain oilfields.
Continued turmoil plays into the hands of our enemies.

Israelis and Arabs May find Unity in Death

Israelis and Arabs forget we have common enemies. Here is a possible scenario. Four nuclear devices explode in the four major Israeli cities.
The Israelis launch 250 fighter/bombers to nuke 500 population centers in the Arab World.
Years later the few survivors may learn it was a false flags CIA op, or maybe a Russian ploy to obtain oilfields.
Continued turmoil plays into the hands of our enemies.